mamamoo problematic thread

Thank you very much for the information!! The ring around her mouth: Now a ring around someones mouth was something drawn back in the days of blackface to emphasize big lips. I think its kind of childish and irresponsible to exaggerate information and twist the truth just to justify your own personal dislike for a person, without regard for out it may affect them or their fans. They are definitely not out to hurt anybody, that I know for sure. 6)not excusing it or defending it but [continues to make an excuse for Henry] Sorry, but yes, you are trying to make up excuses for him. | by unchangingtruth | Medium Write Sign up Sign In 500 Apologies, but something went wrong on our end. I have a tendency to get a bit defensive and come across as rude/mocking/patronising/self righteous when I dont mean to, which Im trying to work on, but its hard to tell when Im doing it, so I try to avoid argument a lot. Someone might think its petty or ridiculous but theres no reason for people to put up with something offensive if they dont want to. It's really difficult to see the hate towards these girls when I see how hard they had to struggle to climb up the ladder when they came from such a small company but I do believe they'll prevail and work hard to improve themselves as they've always been doing since 2014 . its good(, When asked who their ideal types would be if the other members were girls, Chen chose Luhan and Chanyeol chose D.O and Lay then took the microphone to clarify that they were not gay by saying, A similar incident occurred at a concert(?) if(document.querySelector("#adunit")){ This page was loaded Sep 23rd 2021, 9:34 pm GMT. I don't think anything they have done has been malicious, however it was a product of maybe not being knowledgeable of what may be considered offensive to others. Everyone is welcome, fans and non-fans. Dark smudges of makeup were put on her face to represent dirt that the beggar character had on him, and people accused her of doing blackface for it, even though she was portraying a Korean character, and not someone of African descent. I can definitely understand where youre coming from and why you sounded defensive. The point is to provide information about things which could be perceived as offensive so that fans can decide for themselves whether or not they feel comfortable continuing to support the idols. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. ourbridgeisforever:. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), If a celebrity said something homophobic 5 years ago but is now a huge activist in the lgbtq+ community, its likely that they were just ignorant and have learned since. it is also very likely the kangin/n thing was scripted, considering n hung out with suju members shortly after and neither n nor kangin nor their companies were asked about it EVEN ONCE and calling someonetrash in a magazine or bts video is a big deal. To be honest, I wish Id made the suju post more like the exo one, because the exo one included a lot of the stuff people are criticising me for leaving out of this one. While MBC later clarified that the outfit was meant to be a glamorized version of the sauna outfits worn by South Koreans, particularly a style that Hwasa herself has worn before, many thought the outfit was far more similar to an African one than a Korean sauna look. With reference to the Baekhyun-autism-comment issue, it has been a topic of much debate as many people have said that the korean word for autistic is similar to the korean word for defeated-i want to clarify that i do not speak korean so i cannot judge this myself-and that it was just a mistranslation. Joined: Sep 2021 #1. The last thing repeatedly referenced against Hwasa is the fact that she wore a durag on Queendom during Mamamoos Good Luck performance. And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. This, combined with their Immortal Song wins, truly demonstrates just how much of an impact Mamamoo has, as their reach goes far beyond just kpop. 1) I made this post because Ive seen people actively asking about what things suju have done and whether we have a masterpost, this wasnt supposed to be a resource for people to use to justify their hate for suju, however if a person does hate suju because of things members have said/done that is up to them. now onto the list: *Anything with an asterisk besides it is a fan account and so may not be entirely reliable, though are usually fairly trustworthy. This brings us now to the true reason for this article. As I am not muslim (and Im not sure if you are or not) I feel as though its not really up for me to say whether or not its offensive ora reach. For me, I think controversies and hate are just the unfortunate and difficult side that comes with being an idol. Discover short videos related to mamamoo being problematic on TikTok. It genuinely makes me sad that the kpop community hasn't changed since I left it in 2014 which is why I'm so reluctant to jump back into it and only really here to support MAMAMOO. That crosses every sort of line. They removed the video from the ending of their concert shows and Mamamoo also personally apologized at their following concert to anyone who could have been affected by their previous actions. It then grew and grew until every day Mamamoo was receiving complaints about their dancing, calling their vocals fake, and most of all, attacking their looks and hygiene. The most ridiculous thing I have heard it that Hwasa try to be black like how by being Confident and unapologetic about her skin tone, clothing and looks cause she radiates hotness. A lot of my followers have been a huge help and Ive learned a lot myself. Its so sad because I love them and hope they grow more internationally. : ) : ) Wow! ", which culture did u enjoy appropriaing the most #AskHwasapic.twitter.com/x6WYr2VeJa, Can we have a spoiler? Regardless, a fan who thinks that its not a problem isnt going to hold it against Heechul, the point of the post isnt to make you hate the idols (Heechul is literally one of my ultimate biases) its just supposed to be informative. Im getting upset the more I think about it lol but really its just a lot of misconceptions; sometimes culturally and linguistically, that Americans like to hold a grudge against. However it did look dumb not going to lie not a good look and hopes she does not it again. But this often means the backlash is swift and severe anytime she puts out new content. There are multiple reasons but a large one being Im just not educated enough. Now you may be wondering, this dating news had absolutely nothing to do with Mamamoo, why were Moos suddenly preparing for a new war against Hwasa hate comments? Have they done offensive and hurtful things in the past? kpop groups; soloists; socials and info; Back; kpop groups. the Eunhyuk WGM thing being scripted). Im not trying to run away from anything, if you have issues with any of the things I say or do (because I am privileged in certain aspects) please dont feel afraid to bring them up! Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy K-pop stans w/o any receipts. We hope that you will help to educate us on these and other issues so that we can become better people and better artists.. We are one of the worlds fastest growing reporters on a platform technologically tailored to meet the needs of the modern reader. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Purple Backs) Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Mint Backs) CD version comes with 3 photocards. Um yeah they are just that close that they make fun of each other. Honestly, I would want the person that I love to be more pretty or more handsome., Culturally appropriated a Native American headdress. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), In the way that we see them care for each other and their fans concerns, I really dont see how they could MEAN to hurt anyones feelings with how they might act at times. 1,068. cc @sexeyXR @chsjason @Mata10. I suffer from lots of different mental health problems (I dont want to go too into detail but I have ADHD and also struggle with BPD, bipolar + other issues) and this blog really does not help. I only made the post because Ive personally received asks about whether or not there is a Super Junior master post and whether specific members have done anything, and thought itd be easy to compile a list, seeing as thats sorta what this blog is for. I dont know how familiar you are with vixx, but N is constantly put down by hisfriends about his appearance (specifically his skin color) and one of the things Kangin criticised him for was his self confidence, which honestly, was really, really rude and definitely uncalled for. Only four hours after the incident occurred, both Mamamoo and their company RBW wrote out an apology in both Korean and English and posted it online. problematickpop:. kpop problematic carrd! eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), Offensive Super Junior Masterpost. The thing is, it is not just another joke. Explore the latest videos from hashtags: #mamamooproblematic, #mamamooegotistic, #mamaproblematica, # . Some people are a bit skeptic of whether or not I actually like Super Junior, which I can understand, but I would like to clarify that I do. Heechul put the scarf on his head as Gain was explaining why she chose to wear hers in a hijab style. omg lol at everything written under heechul. The environment that they grew up in is much different than ours; they're surrounded by customs and norms from their own society and culture. Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. Someone texted back, Its about to get worse, they will try to trend another hate tweet. One tweet asked, "What we feeling today -er or -a? I would think that all of their positives outweigh their negatives so I'm going to continue to be a fan of them and their musicand not care about netizen/fan hate against them. Its blatantly homophobic and transphobic, like, there is no possible way you could deny that. Shaun of @shaun_vids on Twitter said recently in response to another girl's hate storm against her that mirrors the exact same patterns as Mamamoo's, If someone does something worthy of criticism, and that criticism is then directly delivered thousands of times by different people (a section of whom will go much too far and be genuinely abusive), it all just merges into abuse in the perception of the one being criticised.. 21 Feb 2023, 07:29 PM. We all make mistakes and Mamamoo is no exception. Siwon isnt the only member this has happened to, and I also understand that a lot of the time people take things out of context in order to justify hating on a specific member and its really frustrating. I like most of the members included in that post, please dont try to make it out like I dont, because it perpetuates the idea that fans cant criticise the things they love. Hope that all made sense! One of the latest developments in recent times, that is currently drawing attention on online communities such as Nate/Pann and Twitter is the promotional period of K-Pop groups/soloists. But I wanted to post this just to show that colorism in VIXX is a major problem, it has been happening since debut and has continued up til now, is something that has majorly affected Hakyeon (and is not just "a fun inside joke") and is something that every single other member is guilty of. }); However, another fan might choose not to forgive him for it, which is totally up to them, and totally understandable. You dont owe them anything in the lines of forgiveness, especially if you were one of the people they personally hurt with their past actions. When you choose to spend that privilege constantly mocking and harassing people online, well, karma's going to come back to you, in some form or another. Siwon seems like a genuinely nice guy, and its really unfortunate that people keep spreading the rumour that hes homophobic, and Im ashamed to be one of the people who contributed to this. This thread can't even agree on what Mamamoo did or did not do and yet y'all want to drag them into Blackpink's problematic sh*t to divert the attention, y'all are a damn mess. },false) Yes, I should have included things such as dates. I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on . Their sound is diverse, but can best be described as a mix between jazz, retro, and R&B. Solar Moonbyul Wheein Hwasa Results are only viewable after voting. i love exo. The sun will always shine for us. I'm not dismissing them or overlooking them, but I know that there was no ill intent in what they did and that they're doing their best. Feels bad yo. It's harder to get exposed to these issues that we know about under their circumstances, but once Mamamoo comes across them and understand, they'll learn from it. It's even harder these days.. anything can be taken out of context for example, they're banning "Baby It's Cold Outside" on the radio because some people feel the lyrics suggest date rape what a load of BS. Goodnight. lesbians ranked Irene and Seulgi as #1 and #2 female idols. Mamamoo member Hwasa is one of the most compelling female idols. However, this became a lot more unlikely when a second video was released, titled censored version, which did not include the supposed autism comment. Mamamoo isn't problematic. You can decide to remove them from your lives, not support them, not give them any attention, money or time, but death threats? eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), In this video, they wore blackface. She made her solo debut with the single "Spit It Out" on April 23, 2020.She released her first extended play : Face with its . I encourage everybody to keep general discussion going, but for now, Im stepping out. Threads: 138. #AskHwasa. As for the Kris thing, Im aware its Heechuls opinion, but considering Kris left for very valid reasons (and was practically being abused by SM, as it seems many of the Chinese members were) I would say that it could be consideredproblematic to call Kris disrespectful for leaving, especially after all the shit he got from fans and the members themselves. I feel like my SuJu MP wasnt anywhere near as thorough as the exo one because I have exams at the moment so I was unable to spend as much time on it, so Id really appreciate it if people sent me anything they think I missed. Im going to leave this blog up so people can still refer to some of the posts and look through the tags. And the answer is simple: Hwasa has been their scapegoat for years now. Official MAMAMOO Thread cntrljinsung Jul 1, 2019 hwasa mamamoo moomoo moonbyul solar wheein MAMAMOO bais? okay so somebody sent me a link to the video (thank you btw!) if he just said that he wasshocked because he thought they were gay/trans, then its iffy. 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Anyway, just my thoughts. hitType: 'event', disclaimer: i am NOT trying to cancel any of the idols on this list, just calling them out. Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. },false) (but if you need the actual fan account to knock that off, i guess ill find someone who can give that to you. And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. Also I see hate being normalised and even being defended its not hard if u don't want to forgive them then just ignore or block all mentions of them. I dont really want this published but Im Korean and I just watched the SISTAR video and the translations are pretty accurate, Hyorin was trying to say how bora has all black fashion and her hair and black complexion adds on to it, and I felt that too (soyu was trying to suggest that hyorin had darker skin than bora so hyorin shouldnt talk about anyone elses skin color) so hyorin was like yeah but at least I dont wear black clothes like bora! Coming in at last place is the debut single of NMIXX, O.O.This song now also holds the distinction of having the lowest average in the history of KSOTY. Yes. (Also just a little side note, I know people arent aware and I havent specified it on this blog, but please dont refer to me with she/her pronouns! But in this case it was obviously red, and drawn the way a clown would wear it. Recently the show aired a special live on the YouTube channel of I Live Alone. i seriously didnt mean to sound defensive?? It's incredibly frustrating dealing with these kinds of people. Thanks for the reply! They're also one of the very few idol groups where everyone has expressed that they're supportive of the LGBT+ community, which is huge especially in such a conservative country like South Korea. Ill probably look for another video of the same segment at some point but I dont have time right now. So those are the most controversial things talked about that Mamamoo has done. The photos are problematic as they were taken in 2008 when Chorong was in high school and underage at 17 years old. 1,891 Rep. 1 Year of Service. } I also hear about a clown outfit she wore in one of their videos that people again try to say was blackface but how when she's naturally tan and didn't look any different than normal so I was like huh. Others were soon reminding Hwasa once again of her past mistakes, including wearing blackface along with the rest of Mamamoo in a performance where they were parodying Bruno Mars. They are known and respected by the general public, for their powerful vocals and performances, and can only go up in relevance from here. That doesnt make it okay and it doesnt mean it cant be just as harmful, but considering they are nearly always the victims of such colorist comments, it is somewhat different to when they come from somebody else who is unaffected by them. During their concert on Friday in Seoul, Mamamoo released a. when in retrospect it really wasnt my place to do so and I want to say Im really, sincerely sorry about that. The word Hwasa has become a synonym for trash in the eyes of many K-pop fans, which in turn leads to them believing it is acceptable to beat her down as a defection of their own kpop favs. offensive/misogynistic comments to his Cyworld account, Kai was in charge of skin color in the group, my noona is a little on the tanned side, no wonder why you guys acted like you were so close with each other, I thought the lights were not entering over there, said that he has Kai saved as Blackie in his phone contacts, in a pre-debut video with a hard -er at the end, how can you say something that doesnt even make sense?, Chanyeol asked Kai if he wanted to lighten his skin, Dont misunderstand us. asked one user while another tweet read, "Dark skin or brown skin men? Kpop music (as all music) is rightfully and obviously for everyone but i'm kinda surprised how big of a lesbian following kpop groups like mamamoo and dreamcatcher have and to some extent TXT, with other groups it doesnt seem to be that way. My anxiety and paranoia are bad enough as it is but they shoot up every time I post on here, leaving me feeling sick when I cant check my inbox (or when I have lots of messages) and paranoid that everybody hates me/this blog. While Mamamoo being popular with the public is widely known, many are unaware of just how many actors, idols, and senior producers they have won over with their authentic shows and cheery personalities. }) If you think ive missed anything please send me a message but dont forget to try to include a source! Why? Please think before you write these messages. Each controversy mamamoo has had is different from the next, yet people will hold a grudge and use any excuse to keep hating them. 4) I included the hijab thing for Heechul because I saw muslim fans point it out and say that it made them uncomfortable. Personally, from the time that I've been a fan, Mamamoo has usually apologized/acted contrite for any controversies that they've caused. okay so before i start this list, i just wanna clarify: i am an exo stan. }); Personally, I come from a Chinese household with really racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic beliefs. } not excusing it or defending, but Henry was a little boy from Canada, and that kind of fan service is really odd in general to the West, Id hardly call that problematic. Yes, I should have checked the links. Zhoumi laughed about the earthquake of 6.8 magniture that hit Taiwan saying When the earthquake struck just then, it was just like playing. 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