Plus the kids looked unusually old in their faces. Anybody else feel this way? No, but the evidence to support it is in the discovery, R261. I feel really sorry for poor Chris, he should not be serving a life sentence! Is Colorado NOT a no-fault divorce state? Dont forget Primrose Academy the girls $500 a week pre-school. I'm not at all surprised she was able to get the $ to build and furnish that house. Study up! He couldve extracted himself from Shanann without too much damage. Shan'ann's former boss and lover, Hisham. For the kind of woman Shannon was, she wouldnt have just given up on her two children even if Chris had left. Interesting he says when things were not going well in their relationship, thats when she poured herself into work, out late, not coming home at all etc. Her husband clearly wasn't as smart as this guy. Her story is that of the majority of bisexual men living a lie. She was a compelling personality. And that anyone who wants to dissect the situation, including dissecting the victim, is also CRAZY and therefore thinks the perp should go free and the victim deserved to die. The only thing Chris thought about when he snuffed them out, was his personal freedom as a newly buff beefcake to fuck Nicole Kessinger as well as other women (come on, he didn't just do this for HER only), and enjoy keeping his income for himself and his own pleasures. He was a submissive man, and those kinds are always resentful. I would love to see a list that leads to Premeditated Murder. If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesn't mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. However, she fell oddly silent after the post on August 9 at around 11.46pm, which showed the plastic doll lying shrouded on a leather loveseat. (ThePilot.com reports Leonard T. King, plaintiff vs. Shannon [sic] C. King, defendant in Moore County, North Carolina, Public Records - May 3, 2009)They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. If she was (if she was making $80K a year) she would have to end up paying him child support. What was their age difference if he met her while she was still in high school? Chris did a lot to help around the house yes he was the father of the family. Not for one second did I think that the big confession Watts gave cops would be so brutal and nasty. Only they know, but I bet that is the case. They're standing on a porch and look sweet and feminine. She tore through life, grabbing grabbing grabbing, and demanding. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. But. The documentary pieced together the events . Otherwise they can claim whatever and whos to say they are lying? This is sweet as well. A bad attack meant a trip to the emergency room. When they have to explain themselves preemptively or repeatedly, watch out. I asked about SHANANNs skills in conflict resolution. R84, "asthma" is a generic and very general diagnosis. Meanwhile, hes doing the financial math about a divorce. Shanann was born January 10, 1984 in New Jersey to Frank Rzucek and Sandra Onorati Rzucek. In the last 10 years of Shan'ann's life, between October 2002 and January 2012, she appears to have moved an astonishing 20 times. How many times did this trashy couple declare bankruptcy? I remember she mentioned in her video discussing this time period she portrayed herself as a hard worker that put him through school. 25 Feb/23. Shanann and her two daughters, Bella and Celeste, were reported missing on August 13, 2018 in Frederick, Colorado. The alienation, the excuses shes having a bad day, all of it. I'm not going to bother researching Colorado's rules. And isnt it a fucker that the Topix forums went away? This was from an interview with one of Shanann's Thrive friends, that they all were friendly. R222 everybody was exaggerating the crap out of their income and assets when applying for loans back then and getting away with it. Is R58 a ped-o? Why was their marriage not going well? She was not fleeing North Carolina. Shanann Watts, 34, posted the photo of the shrouded doll on August 9, days before police say she and her daughtersCeleste, three, and Bella, four, were killed in their Frederick, Colorado home, on the northern outskirts of Denver. How many of us could say we have friends that would be there the next day looking for us with cops? Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. I bet Shanann whacked out a lot. He later admitted to killing their daughters, four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Celeste, by smothering them with a blanket over their heads. Regardless she didnt murder her children, the psychopath Chris Watts took their lives . I remember there was some anti-Lularore/MLM site that had stories of men divorcing their wives due to MLM debt. The moral of this story? LEONARD said that people liked SHANANN. Why? R130: if you read the discovery, Shannan was willing to change. Imagine sitting in a house you cannot afford with two kids and another on the way, and a wife who spends money like it is going out of style and who keeps texting you non-stop about why you aren't responding to her texts, etc.essentially, he married a harpie. Chris Watts is a textbook Malignant-Covert Somatic Narcissist. Like an entire store's worth. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. She expected to quietly . John Forbes officiating. Its something Borderlines do, although I dont think she was one. \ 25 FEB-3 MARCH 2023 More adventures in \ } i " Back for the final series the Star Wars galaxy SRY. r22, I saw some special on tv about the murders, it mentioned medical bills for her. At home they would be in different rooms and she was always too busy for what LEONARD had going on. Shanann to Shan'ann. He even put her body next to their feet on the floor of the truck with her head & feet covered with *trash bags* and took an hour driving them to the site they would be murdered at. But murder isn't the answer -- & didn't he kill their kids too? There were no albuterol pumps or nebulizers then. Her crazy MIL spread stories about Shannaaaannna. (where they're hugging). Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? Every real life character in this story is interesting, especially the victim. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in Thrive. Only thing I can think of even though I dont think he has it in him is another girl. I don't get it. NEVER. Dont get me started on this grifty broad. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. At home they would be in different rooms and she was always too busy for what LEONARD had going on. Wedding Picture of Shanann and Chris Watts Colorado doesnt care if a spouse is cheating. WHAT? She then went to work in Charlotte, NC for a middle eastern guy that owned a tire and wheel business called Dirty South. Plus, there was a newspaper article written about the tire place she worked in in NC, and in the article her name was spelled "Shanann," and a lawsuit filed against her with her named spelled "Shanann.". I like it - two snarky, bitchy Englishwomen can be quite entertaining. 05:02 GMT 17 Aug 2018 R78 You're probably not nearly as bad as you think you are. During a trip out west, they fell in love with the scenery and overall vibe of Frederick,. He is now Assistant Public Defender Leonard T. King in Laurinburg, NC.The day Chris confessed to her murder, Shananns ex-husband spoke with police and told them the following about their marriage. She would also get child support but its based on income and its possible, only possible, she was making more than he was. R143: She didnt change her name. She did everything to come across as the perfect, crunchy-earthy, cool progressive lesbian mom. The two met in 2010 when Chriss Lee Watts was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. Janny Free please dont call them little monsters they died but the hand of their father, and Bella was such a sweet little girl, and CeCe was younger she was still in toddler stageShe was gonna grow out of itNo matter what happened between these adults they didnt deserve to die, and neither did Shanann RIP Shanann and your 3 Angels Bella Celeste Nico , Janny didnt call them little monsters she was repeating what Shanann called them in one of her videos . I think he snapped. The comments below have not been moderated, By I just think he lost it. Joint for joint expenses, and yet have your own liquid accounts. But its true. Shanann and Christopher "The Murderer" Watts. It amazes me to see photos and videos of Bella and CeeCee and the love they had for one another is plain to see. He had heard about the case in which SHANANN and her children were missing. R162: A woman with a job equals whore in your world. And they were his children too, not just shannons. What bank is giving a 20-something single woman making, what, $40k/year TOPS? Shannon too did a lot for the family. The girls in the tanks, neatly hidden from view. Or maybe it was a way to get bill collectors off her tail. A new documentary on the Watts family murders shines a spotlight on the deteriorating relationship between Colorado family annihilator Chris Watts and his wife, Shanann. Another person she was using? She did cheat with the dirty south guy. SHANANN was in high school when LEONARD first met her. WTF?!? Chris Watts, 33, allegedly admitted to killing his wife, 34-year-old Shanann, and his daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. and missed three mortgage payments on the house that they couldn't afford. It looks like they plopped a development in the middle of nowhere. Oh I hear you R26. I thought that we at DL had figured out what likely happened months ago (had pretty good, comprehensive theories about that night that made sense): he covered the girls faces while they were asleep in their beds (possibly even after sedating them) so they quickly died practically in their sleep and never knew that it was daddy who did it. Or repeatedly mess around with their kids names. I can't imagine after bankruptcy etc. R136. How wrong we all were. Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." She was working to provide for family while her husband plotted murder. Discovery Documents Ex husband Leonard . Just the fact that she texted a friend, mulling about where to move should they divorce, (but not NC for some reason) tells me she was used to getting her own way. She was not confrontational and more withdrew.#ShanannWatts #ChrisWattschris watts, true crime, true crime history, watts crime, watts family, cece watts, bella watts, tori hartman, chris watts history, chris watts timeline, live video, cbs news, colorado man. Does anyone know if hes made any statements or has spilled any tea? There's no such suggestion of that scenario in the discovery. That makes sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_family_murders, Shanann Cathryn Watts, (grave marker states Shanann Rzucek), 34 and daughters Bella Marie Watts, 4 and Celeste Cathryn Watts, 3 and unborn son Nico Lee of Frederick, Colorado, died on Thursday, August 16, 2018 (obituary states August 16th, graver marker reads August 13th). This has kept me entertained. You're projecting your own values onto him. Nothing out of the box. But family members remain baffled by the murders, and police remain tight-lipped about how the woman and girls were killed, and what the suspected motive was. Does anyone know when she began calling herself Shan'ann and why? in Carthage, NC. One of the detectives admonished him, "Yes, but we I am asking you about Shannan now". A concerned friend contacted law enforcement after learning of the murders of Shanann Watts and her two young daughter, relaying an unsettling anecdote Shanann had shared with her just weeks before she was killed. I thought it was hilarious when detectives had Chris in for questioning and they briefly questioned him about Nichol Kessinger. Chriss mom is a nasty soul and exhibits the toxic traits of a Narcissist herself, and so it would make sense. R199, I saw that. They filed for bankruptcy due to do much debt they had. It doesnt appear that there was any history of beating or physical or sexual abuse with them & Chris (that we know of), so what the fuck happened? I think men (more than women) think Chris Watts is attractive. I assure you i am not a moron. And to restate the obvious again - if you are married, make sure you have your own individual accounts. If so, nice of him not to say so. The description of what he did to those little girls. Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] January 14, 2019 / crimerocket_pmfrt4 / 34 Comments. I dont trust every single thing he said & I still think he cares enough (for whatever reason) about his reputation & how people view him (close friends, family members like his mom & dad, and even Nichol K. and the public) to leave certain things out/fudge the truth about some of the incidents he described. But that's a lot to expect from some people's mental faculties I guess. Chris Watts, 33, allegedly admitted to killing his wife, 34-year-old Shanann, and his daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. You live in Colorado and you dont go on hikes? He should have snapped and just taken off. Fact: Hisham Bedwan, co-owner and Shananns boss at Dirty South joked around with Shanann during one of her FB Live videos. I would love to have a conjugal visit Chris Watts! Thanks for mentioning that, whoever you are. R146 If the Watts murders hadn't occurred I think as time went on the children would've been increasingly, negatively impacted by Shannan's hypochondria, delusional thinking, over-spending, vindictiveness and general megalomania. The documentary, entitled American Murder: The Family Next Door, began streaming on September 30. After the divorce, LEONARD kept his, but changed it to $100k and changed the beneficiary. Here's what you need to know about Frank and Sandra Rzucek, Shanann's parents, ahead of this evening's interview. It is how you build one. [quote]All i could think of while watching this video, is what was going thru the minds of financially strapped husbands watching their wives spend money they didn't have on these scams? what does cardiac silhouette is unremarkable mean / fresh sage cologne slopes of southern italy / ron austin claudine longet Hello and thank you for being a DL contributor. And everything is LUPUS. Strange forum, to have no way to upload images. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN left her cell phone at home. A 12 yo girl took it for one day and felt amazing! He was an empty canvas, grey rock, cipher. Sorry, anyone that feels for this monster needs his or her head examined, pronto. L Lynda Pringle 2 followers More information Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] Fairy Garden Diy Ex Husbands True Crime Leonard Watts Interview Anne Family Quick More information . Ty for that info, I'd read it previously but had forgotten most of it. 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