And the other issue is a fact, is that even though a Pope would not be allowed to declare something that goes against what the magisterium teaches and the magisterium I doubt would ever teach about worshiping Mary, whats interesting is that according to Lumen Gentium, it says that even when the Pope is not speaking ex cathedral, you must actually listen to what the Pope says. Thats just being read into the text. We discuss his books, with the most popular being Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, and well as leading Bible studies in his home. Yeah. Okay, you can start now. Even if it is talking about sin, if its talking about being saved from sin before one came into existence, preemptively saved, then it still fits the context. If she is not righteous, then Jesus did not redeem her and she is still dead in her trespasses and sins. That has not been handed down to us but that she was assumed in heaven was even though [inaudible 01:06:39]. This has led biblical scholars to make a variety of proposals for the identity of this Zechariah. . 9035 SW 72nd St Ste 102 Miami, FL 33173. It doesnt mention sin there. Sure. Do you know him? However, he should have cited what Jimmy said immediately before that quote: It wasnt entirely clear to every group of Jews exactly what books belonged in the Old Testament., Akin goes on to write that Jesus and the apostles went a bit further than the Pharisees on the issue of the canon. When Trent tries to use this argument, hes using a logical fallacy referred to as the argument by exception. Did some Jews during this time recognize the inspiration of these texts? So I think Catholics have a way to honor Mary as the mother of God without divinizing her. Please try again later. On the signing, Christie pointed out that one reason for joining the team was "basically doing Michael (Clemons) a favour" as a former college teammate and that it was tentatively for one game. In fact, in that debate, I never brought up the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Because they have the same father but different mothers. When the Bible talks about all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, as I mentioned in my opening statement, its a Greek word pas, which means, everyone, which would include Mary. He rejected that dogma, though he did not believe Matthew 1:25 proved it. So was Jesus free from sin and he also died? Follow him on Twitter: @sean_mcdowell and his blog: seanmcdowell.org. They werent arguments that I made, but they were arguments that other people have made. So yeah, I would just encourage people just to continue to read and learn, dive into the word, dive into the teachings of the church historically, just to come to a knowledge of the church Jesus Christ established. Communication, Canon, and Unbeliever Knowledge of God, Reformed Apologist (Ronald W. Di Giacomo). Ravi Zacharias, the prominent Christian apologetics author and speaker, died Tuesday at the age of 74 following a battle with a rare form of cancer. [It undermines] the theory that there was a single canon by the late first century C.E. (The Scrolls and Biblical Traditions, 41-43). This is the number one downloaded Catholic app in the app store, and it is the best app Ive ever used ever. [foreign language 00:26:34] was also used in literature that existed at roughly the same time period as the New Testament. Now Steve mentioned and many other Protestants allude to Matthew 1:24-25, which says When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him. Since the Catholic church is certain that the brothers of Jesus are anything other than biological siblings, meaning uterine siblings, why are they not able to be just a certain specifically who they are? Its always nice to see people who are willing to put forward rigorous argument and engage others charitably. The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis- Garret Talks To Steve Christie About His Endorsements, Pima County Voting. They shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child and weep bitterly over him as one weeps over a firstborn. So the terms can both be used in interchangeably in that respect. That would be one. Why Is the Protestant Bible Shorter than the Catholic Bible? Sep 29, 2021. Or are they all good? You can also reach me on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. The word adelphos is used numerous times in both the Old and New Testament to describe people who have had the same parents. Suppose we discovered the actual cross Jesus had been crucified on. Apologetics for the Masses #366 - 4 Words That Changed the World, Part III. Their issue is not about Mary. Perhaps John witnessed this event and then told others or this may have been given to John through some other kind of revelation. Yeah, sure. We are going to be moving into a time of cross-examination where each debater will get 10 minutes each. Okay. All right. Reply to this thread. This is a separate event than from what Luke is talking about earlier in Luke chapter two, verse seven. 1644440684524367. steve.christie@phmloans.com. I dont think people at the time would call them Catholic. I cant go into that in detail here in the answer, but I might talk about it in a future podcast episode. The danger of submitting to this fallible authority extends to submitting to their authority of their unbiblical view of salvation of infusion of grace through the sacraments, which also contradicts Scripture, which teaches justification by imputation of grace by faith alone. But I think so far, this has shown that Steve has not been able to apply scripture in an unambiguous way to show the Marian Dogma was contradicted. When the New Testament writers wish to convey female non-sibling relatives, such as Elizabeth and Mary, they chose other Greek words, such as [foreign language 00:01:39] or [foreign language 00:01:39] So also, Luke 14:12 and 21:16, where the evangelist uses different Greek words to distinguish relatives from brothers. He was a five-year teammate of quarterback Jim Kelly, who has been in remission from sinus cancer since August. Mounce writes, Nicodemus politely says Jesus is a teacher; but when Nicodemus does not understand the necessity of a spiritual rebirth, Jesus questions his status as the teacher, an authoritative rabbi (A Teacher or The Teacher?). All right. The Story of Reality: Apologist Greg Koukl Discusses His New Book. No one ever says the gift of prophecy or divine revelation had returned after being absent for several centuries. Theres nothing in scripture that states that Mary was an exception to this. Christie's career in Buffalo spanned 144 regular season games and a 78.3 success rate on field goals. Going forward, then, Mark Sorry, Steve tries to say that Mary committed a sin in Mark Three when she and the brothers of the Lord go to see him, but the text doesnt say anything about Mary doing anything sinful. A19: Interview with Apologetics.com: The Minimal Facts Argument. Both the Old and the New Testaments also use firstborn to indicate firstborn among other siblings, such as Esau being Isaacs firstborn and Ruben as Jacobs first born, meaning they were not firstborns out of their fathers wombs, considering men dont have wombs, but firstborn among their other children. In order to justify that claim, Christie would have to present a standard that tells us what writings prior to Christ are inspired and why we should accept that particular standard. Steve, where can people learn more about you and the good stuff youve done? We should only offer that to the father and the holy sacrifice of the mass. Discover Geoffrey Stephen "Steve" Christie 's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. SeanMcDowell.org. Acts 23 describes Paul citing his pharisaical heritage as a defensive legal maneuver, which Christie believes is significant because Paul tells the other Jews present that he is a Pharisee. Geoffrey Stephen Christie (born November 13, 1967) [1] is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League (NFL), who, as a member of the Buffalo Bills, became known for his ability to kick clutch field goals, even in poor weather. And we can safely assume that Jesus saw the body of Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration. My screen name is BornAgainRN, so you can look at me that way. The second man Christ is from heaven as is the earthy Adam so also are those who are earthy and as is the heavenly Christ so also are those who are heavenly. WHY PROTESTANT BIBLES ARE SMALLER: A Defense of the Protestant Old Testament Canon - Kindle edition by Christie, Steve. That children at a young age do not commit personal sins. A lot of mouthful, but thats what links are for. Do it, or dont do it. Debate: Do Protestants Have the Correct Old Testament Canon? Themissionof Apologetics 315 is to provide educational resources for the defense of the Christian faith, with the goal of strengthening the faith of believers and engaging the questions and challenges of other worldviews. Like for example, how does one reconcile the following statements, I am the way, the truth, and the life, from our blessed Lord in John 14:6 and Hail holy queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope, emphasis on both claiming to be our life? He was a key contributor in the Bills comeback win against the Houston Oilers, in which Buffalo rallied from a 32-point deficit[2] to complete the largest comeback victory in NFL history. Yes. Can you give one example in the New Testament where it describes God or Jesus being a preemptive savior instead of a redemptive redeeming savior? So Trent, what are some arguments that you hear Catholics put forth for any of the dogmas we are discussing today, that you wish they would stop putting forth because theyre bad arguments? This question comes from agoyforJesus. So The Assumption and the immaculate conception are not contradicted in that respect. In 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven, meaning he did not see death either before being assumed to heaven. I would love to have Augustine or Aquinas come down to my parish and give a talk or be a pastor there. As far as adelphos, I dont have a problem with the word adelphos, but my question is, why would you abandon its primary meaning for another meaning when it doesnt demand it? I already addressed Psalm 65, but Steve said, Well, the sins were applied to Jesus in a non-literal way. Right, but notice what it says in Psalm 69:5 of the Messiah, Oh God, thou knowest my folly. No one else ever before in the history of salvation had been asked to do something like that. No, it doesnt. Christie has nine field goals in overtime to his credit, an NFL record he shares with Jason Elam and Jim Breech. Can it be used in the case without contradicting scripture? And thats why I went [inaudible 01:47:13] and why I argued, how is it used specifically in the New Testament? I agree with what that person teaches. So were not talking about translations of the Bible. Christie also claims Jesus reference to the Pharisee Nicodemus as the teacher of Israel (John 3:10) meant the Pharisees had unique teaching authority over other Jews. So to summarize then Steve Well, actually lets see. Christie claims the Hebrew canon was closed by Ezra and other learned men at an event called the Great Synagogue. Well, I would say that it contradicts it because if she was indeed sinless, Mary would not have been bodily assumed into heaven for the reasons I stated in my opening statement. Advertisement "God gave us the greatest apologist of this. Ye, because Jesus younger half sibling was Joseph while Jesus father was God. And most commentaries agree that this passage parallels what Hannah says in First Samuel 2:1, and she likewise doesnt mention sin. I do talk about this in my book and there, I note that its used differently than in Sirach 18:17, where the word is also used in those situations. (Horn V. Christie) About Ap315: The mission of Apologetics 315 is to provide educational resources for the defense of the Christian faith, with the goal of strengthening the faith of believers and engaging the questions and challenges of other worldviews. Jesus does not rebuke her. And you, just so people are aware, arent being mean or anything by doing that. So it still fits semantically. As far as original sin, if you look at catholic.com, the encyclopedia, it states that The Second Council of Orange, it states that, The death of the body, which is the punishment for sin. In other words, sin results in death of the body. Steve Christie also has his own website. So he would be referred to as the son of Joseph sometimes. 13K views, 25 likes, 6 loves, 7 comments, 12 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from Lake Effect Furniture and Mattress: Have you seen the latest commercial yet? It can mean sister of having the same mother and father, or of having just the same father, or just the same mother. No, Bauckham talks about this in his article that in some context, Jesus would be referred to as the son of Joseph, especially among those who were not familiar with his family life in Nazareth. Some of these questions are for both of you but it might be better if I ask a question, just one of you respond since we have so many. Themissionof Apologetics 315 is to provide educational resources for the defense of the Christian faith, with the goal of strengthening the faith of believers and engaging the questions and challenges of other worldviews. We welcome all people, Christian, atheist, agnostics, and other worldly religions to our show. He is also a registered nurse and Steve discusses the challenges of balancing ministry and a career. Well, it uses the Greek word for brother. The night before that, we did an examination of conscience together. Singing professionally for over 30 years, Steve Christie is a seasoned performer. And so when we look to Mary, we always follow the words that she uttered to the servants at the Wedding Feast of Cana, Do whatever he tells you. And Jesus tells us to honor our father and mother, and we should honor his father and mother. 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