The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. There existed a nation called the Edomites. The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. Routledge. In the Nabataean period, several impressive facades were carved into the hills outside al-Hijr, between the 1st century BC and 1st century AD. Good reply Adeel. And [We destroyed] 'Aad and Thamud and the companions of the well and many generations between them. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. Meaning ibn kathir thought these tombs were built by thamud as well but got it wrong, I agree also Im of the opion the hadith witch says dont enter the dwellings I think the prophet said dont enter the lands not houses because there are only 4 hadith witch mention that and 3 of them doesnt have the arabic word for dwelling there any way thats why dwelling is in brackets also the one hadith what does mention dwelling in arabic misken can mean land any way because it is used in the quran and there are some places it is translated as dwelling places not literally houses so Im of the opion the prophet was saying dont enter the land and even if it did mean houses it could be that there were a few bricks in the valley plain there and that is what he meant because if it was the same area then that is why some people think the prophet meant the nabateans buildings jazzakkallah also in verse 40:21 out of the 8 theorys I have put down witch one do you think is the right one what does atharan mean to you jazzakkallah because if it means remains then it just means there were just a bit of large bricks broken pillars there witch just shows they were better than the Arabs jazzakkallah what could be what the prophet meant dont enter the fallen down houses what ever left of there builds like a few large bricks and broken pillars, Also those 4 hadith dont mention thamud by name in just says the land of al hijr or the people of al hijr or region of al hijr but never thamud but yes I agree with the well but there are Wells all over the region of al hijr like al ula and such also al hijr might be anywhere with a rocky area like yemon or jordan also there is a place in oman called al hijr so could be anywhere like yemon also there is a place called thamud in yemon near where ad lived near hadramawt so you see what I mean could be there, Assalam alikum I was just wondering how do we explain 28:58 witch nation is it talking about and is it talking in past or present tense because this verse sounds like its talking about thamud those buildings witch were built by nabtions. 63-65. People descended with the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, to the valley of Hijr, the land of Thamud, and they drank from the wells and kneaded flour with it. (LogOut/ The Nabataeans were nomadic Arabs who moved into territory vacated by the Edomites Semites who settled the region centuries before them. http://www.imgrum.org/media/1483126817820752683_724804649 This came to pass, and Thamud was annihilated. Trying to make sense of this mad, mad world, And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], Worship Allah and avoid Taghut. And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. [22], The first wave of Arab immigration to the Maghreb began with the conquest of the Maghreb in the seventh century, with the migration of sedentary and nomadic Arabs to the Maghreb from the Arabian Peninsula. Allah sent a powerful windstorm to the Aad that destroyed them and left them sprawled and mangled in their homes. But before we get to that, lets analyze their responses. He who had faith said (to Pharaoh and his company): O my people, I fear for you the likes of the day of the confederates, the likes of the fate of the people of Noah, Ad, and Thamud and those after them. Certain objections can and may arise with the above narrative. Though one could argue that they knew of Salih and hence Allah could hold them responsible, but this is speculation. Nevertheless, a number of interesting archaeological sites still exist in Arabia that have preserved the ruins of lost civilizations, such as the Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih). And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land?Chapter 7, Verse 74. 6. Ruins of Aad and Thamood existed at time of Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam Assalaamu alaykum I was wondering does verse 2938 of the Quran mean that the houses of Aad and Thamud are still standing and that we can see them If Aad were destroyed there is nothing left of Aad apart from their land so their houses have fallen down and if they were not standing in Prophet Muhammads sallallaahu . I believe neither are in error. It does not state, however, who made the inscriptions. The points raised by alfinlandi are very reasonable to counter the points of the article. Sahih International. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. Or there fallen down relics are still better than you houses now 3. or there fallen down relics show they are/were better than you 4. In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are. [Prophet], it is your Lord who is the Strong, the Mighty One. Modern historiography "unveiled the lack of inner coherence of this genealogical system and demonstrated that it finds insufficient matching evidence".[14]. A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. You may look at any tafsir, these Ayaat are general and simply refer to destroyed civilisations which may be Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and Pompeii among many others. The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. [26] The Arab descendants of the original Arabian settlers who continue to speak Arabic as a first language currently form the single largest population group in North Africa. Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. The hadith reports the prophet (pbuh) as having passed Median Saleh and described the ruins as their dwellings referring to the Thamud. Though no one knows for sure when either of these groups existed, it is clear from the Quran that the Aad were successors to the people of Noah. The Rashaida of Sudan and Eritrea live in close proximity with the Beja people. I hope the Christians, after having read this, will decide to do whats ethical and moral. Source: Sahih Muslim 2980, Grade: Sahih. In Islamic prophetic history, the Prophet Salih (s) was sent to the first tribe of Thamud before the coming of Moses (s), since one of the believers warned Pharaoh about what happened to them. As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. A similar narrative can be found in Jeremiah 49:16 Umar reported that the people encamped along with Allahs Messenger () in the valley of Hijr, the habitations of Thamud, and they quenched their thirst from the wells thereof and kneaded the flour with it. [34][35] Tribalism is a significant characteristic of Arab population in Khuzestan.[36]. And perhaps, using the knowledge, culture, and technology from the Aad, they established a new society. There is no good reason to suggest that these tombs never served as a place of dwelling, as they are large enough to do so. I feel there may be some misconception about how to view Quran. 3 Southern Europe. The Ayah is general [And how many a city have I (Allah) destroyed]? They were more sophisticated than the Aad. Between the mountains were valleys with gardens and springs of water. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? 11. Is their carved construction still there today? Have not invested any considerable time investigating the actual archeological claims. Thereupon Allahs Messenger () commanded that the water collected for drinking should be spilt and the flour should be given to the camels and commanded them that the water for drinking should be taken from that well where the she-camel used to come. The general consensus among 14th-century Arab genealogists is that Arabs are of three kinds: The Hawazin tribe and the Quraysh tribe are considered Adnani Arabs. Prior to the Muslim conquest of Egypt, Egypt was under Greek and Roman influence. Hence, they had become very rich. They were craftsmen. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. A Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamd By Ibn Kathir - Fri 14 Muharram 1425 (5 Mar 2004) 0 5604 Explanation: means, they were arrogant, stubborn and disobedient. We have heard a message from the LORD: Also, 28:40 is referring to Pharaoh and the verse tells us to BEHOLD how Allah SWT dealt with him without us being present to see it. Will you forbid us to worship what our fathers worshiped? This law they hold because they judge that those who possess these things will be easily compelled by powerful men to do what is ordered them because of their enjoyment of these things. [28] I will post the links here for now. Many centuries elapse before we find Thamud again in the textual record, though their name crops up many times in (undated) inscriptions throughout North Arabia. Ala-Maududi. that that Thamud did it then the edomites took over then the nabteaons but all I know is that Thamud existed before 3000 bc so 3000 bc is probably when they were destroyed then the edomites revamped them made them look new then the nabteaons did the same and I believe the tribe of ad was destroyed weather 5-8 thousand bc and I believe noahs flood was around the ending off the ice age what was between 10-13 thousand bc became the population of the world was only 1 million at 10 thousand bc and no more than 20 million people at 5000 bc what makes stuff interesting but as a side note if the quran does say that noahs people was the first to commit shirk then ad then thamud but none at the same time or between then thamud had to come before 9000 bc so that was when they would be destroyed because the gobeki tepe was built then and that was definitely pagan shirk but this is my opion but thanks, And of course ad was the descendents of noah and thamud was the descendents of ad. [13] Adnanites are believed to be the descendants of Ishmael through Adnan but the traditional Adnanite lineage doesn't match the biblical line exactly. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Bani, Banu. But it was hamstrung and eventually killed by nine people of Thamud, who then attempted but failed to kill Salih himself. Imagine if in a thousand years, the United States is a completely different landscape, much of it devoid of inhabitants and all of the history associated with its people are lost. However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). The leftover of Ad were taken and built over by Thamud. and the pride of your heart have deceived you, The pagan Arabs were acquainted with their existence but nothing more is known about them. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger . And this advancement led to a stratified society of haves and have nots. Ignore the entire thing and continue to spread their deception and lies. He said, "My people, worship God. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. They did worship Allah, which Ill prove soon. According to Saudi-archeology website, an academic website aimed at archiving the rock images and providing archeological information on them, the structure may have been used for holding sacred feasts. We have a good perspective of the size of these supposed tombs in this picture, as the faade has been destroyed. Here our discussion lies around the location of the thamud people and the houses/tombs they carved out of the stones and mountains. When they came here, there would have been many buildings and they made their buildings alongside them and eventually, theirs outgrew the previous ones. The means of God's destruction of Thamud include a thunderbolt, a storm, a shout, and an earthquake. There was a long period of royal authority and sedentary culture. - _ taf . Of course, only Allah knows the truth. Doesnt matter if they were destroyed before or after Ibn Kathir and the land is not in Yemen. Allah mentions how there were actually nine families that pretty much ran everything in this society. They are of Arab origin, but now of mixed blood mostly with Nilo-Saharans and Nubians. Thamud used to carve out rocks in the valley Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. 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The Bible does contain verses about a particular nation known as the Edomites, who did carve out structures on mountains and who were destroyed by God. you who say to yourself, Based on some of the artifacts and writing, there are several civilizations at play here and they consider that the stone carvings were the work of Nabataens), Assalam alikum but mu point is it make it sound like these 2 verses mean that thamud and AD buildings were still standing tall my point is on the arabic word atharan because does this mean that this verses are saying midian al saleh are thamud because that would be wrong, Does atharan mean we have to see it or does it just mean they made marks witch we dont have to see, Walikum asalam And so, when Our command was fulfilled, by Our mercy We saved li and his fellow believers from the disgrace of that day. The Nabateans have not left us with any records, thus inscriptions become the primary dating of these structures. [21], A hadith tradition preserved in the a al-Bukhr collection narrates that the Islamic prophet Muhammad called Hegra "the land of Thamud" and did not allow his troops to drink from its wells or to use its water, and to never enter its ruins "unless weeping, lest occur to you what happened to them. Verses 15:80-83describe its inhabitants as carving their homes out of mountains and being decimated by a loud shriek characteristics ascribed by the Quran elsewhere to the people of Thamud2. While I think thats a response one could muster the fact is that we have no evidence whatsoever for that and it does not explain why the Prophet () would have referred to them as punished people. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. They were Giants and so powerful. So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? So Ill let that one go for another article and focus on the main discussion, the Aad and Thamud. She states that all we have are A few papyri, which are mainly private contracts, and thousands of graffiti scattered on the rocks, 90% of which contain only the name of the individual who wrote it, his fathers name, and a formulaic greeting. Thirdly, the hadith you quoted isnt the only hadith on the topic. They were often stronger than you in signs or athar left behind has been oft repeated. The Ghassanids increased the Semitic presence in the then Hellenized Syria, the majority of Semites were Aramaic peoples. Moreover, they cultivated fertile land and gained lots of benefit from it. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. See the video here (arabic): https://youtu.be/yjRjkjQ-VEA, Me however I lean towards that Madain Saleh is not the place for the Quranic Thamud like Dr Thiaeb (linguist of ancient arabic and archeologist) has been repeatedly saying at least since 1995, because among other reasons that Madain Saleh lacks all the marks of Gods wrath, the earth quake levelling Thamud etc. And their responses reflected their advancement in knowledge. [5] This entire passage has been sent by Waqar. Adites conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites( They are known as the people of Us, When actual tribe of ad perished Prophet Hud pbuh was with the banu thamud who are from him, they livedfrom North Arabia to greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians . Are Hadiths Anti-Semitic? In fact, we even know the scripts they used! Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. You have no god other than Him. The Nabateans who made the carvings in Madain Saleh and Petra, as well as other Arab groups like the Dedanites/Lihyanites, are their successors. Have not read their own bibles. They used to carve in the past and their present structure is not described in this Ayah. And as for Thamud, We showed them the path of truth but they preferred blindness to guidance; so the Sa`iqah of disgracing torment seized them because of what they used to earn. [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. Shaitan (Satan) made their deeds fair-seeming to them, and turned them away from the (Right) Path, though they were intelligent. The Tribes of Arabia (Arabic: ) or Arab tribes (Arabic: ) are the ethnic Arab tribes and clans that originated in the Arabian Peninsula. The title People of al-Hijr was, therefore, that of Nabateans who came much late in history and their period overlapped with Thamud-II, the remnants of Thamud-I, the subject of Quran.[5]. Is al ula walid al qura But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. (29:38) If they turn away, then say, I warn you of a lightning-bolt like the lightning-bolt of Ad and of Thamud. 3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, Also sorry with wadi alQura where is that place because you mention in your article that is the place and it is different but where is it in saudia Arabia like how far from madain saleh and where is it near because they dont show it on the maps, 4. This poses problematic. Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. But the shriek seized them at early morning. from there I will bring you down, What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. And when they conqured people, they did so in a harsh, brutal, and ruthless manner. (2). I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. . Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. [28] A large Arab migration to Mesopotamia followed the Muslim conquest of Mesopotamia in 634, which saw an increase in the culture and ideals of the Bedouins in the region. There are some scholars who say a mountain split apart and the camel walked out. Aad are mentioned as another Arabian tribe destroyed by God for rejecting their Prophet Hud. Eventually, they demanded proof for what Salih was saying. Suhih Bukhari_ Book of _ Virues of Al-Quran : THE FIRST PILLAR OF ISLAM: THE MUSLIM PROFESSION O _ ( Istighfar & Tawbah Authentic Dua & Dhikr: What Is the Status of Women in Islam? One Who missed the Friday Prayer should pray Zuhr: Moving the Finger in Tashahhud : Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom. In the historical and archaeological record, both were contemporaries, but by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century AD, they had become little more than a distant memory, and their ruins, places of myth and legend. The prophet was a man of his times and of his own personal experiences, he could have attributed what he saw to the Thamud due to the fact that the Thamud lived on the exact region as these ruins. They mainly settled in the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. His people came after Ad, and they were known as Thamud. Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. When they cut the hamstring of a female camel that God had sent down for them, despite the prophet's warnings, they were annihilated, except for Salih and his followers. What do we know about the Nabateans? [3] Nigel Groom, Frankincense and Myrrh, A Study of the Arabian Incense Trade, Longman, London and New York; Librairie du Liban, Beirut, 1981, p. 189, pg. Thus, from the aforementioned verses we have gleaned the following: 1. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamd, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration forever with the support of Antistius Adventus, the governor. But certainly, there is some potential that something like this may have happened. He said, "My people, just think: if I did have clear proof from my Lord, and if He had given me mercy of His own, who could protect me from God if I disobeyed Him? It must also be kept in mind that not all of the structures have been found as of yet. The tribe refused to heed him, saying that Salih was merely a mortal, and demanded a sign from God. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. The Thamd are infrequently mentioned in contemporary indigenous Arabian sources, although two Safaitic inscriptions carved some time between the first century BCE and the fourth century CE refer to "the year of the war between Gm and the tribe of Thamd [snt rb gm l md]". The arguments against the Quran and Hadith are as follows: Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih) UNESCO World Heritage Centre. Allah says: `Say, O Muhammad, to these idolators who disbelieve in the message of truth that you have brought: If you turn away from that which I have brought to you from Allah, then I warn you of the punishment of Allah like the . However, they worshiped other deities along with Allah. And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.Chapter 26, Verse 130. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. Heres how Allah describes their punishment. God chose the prophet Salih to warn the polytheistic Thamud that they should worship the One God. What? There is no possibility that these were houses. The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. what they used to build and what they have built. Chapter (41) srat fuilat (Explained in Detail) Sahih International: But if they turn away, then say, "I have warned you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt [that struck] 'Aad and Thamud.. Pickthall: But if they turn away, then say: I warn you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt (which fell of old upon the tribes) of A'ad and Thamud;. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. As for option 2, we know next to nothing about the Thamud. It is large enough to house individuals, should they have chosen to live inside them. Sorry for such a late response. These Arab tribes have played a role in the demographic changes in the Arab world through the increase of the Arab population,[8] as well as the ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and genetic Arabization of the Levant and North Africa.[9]. It is generic for multitude of civilizations The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. Traduzioni in contesto per "heard roaring" in inglese-italiano da Reverso Context: These are the ones we heard roaring on Friday. These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. The Akkadians are the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who absorbed The Amorites. Wadi al-Qura, refer to the article above. In sura 15, there seems to be a chronological order: At first the story of Adam (as) is mentioned (26-50), then the story of Abraham (as) and Lot (as) (51-77), then the story of the people of al-Rass,i.e. Although, implausible, but not impossible. Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . The people of Noah, when they denied the Messengers, We drowned them and made them a sign for people We have prepared for wrongdoers a painful punishment and Ad, Thamud, the companions of the well, and many generations between them. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. The buildings of Thamud may or may not have remained but the well did exist then If not, then why do we need to find the remains of Thamud? The Christians are claiming that the Qurans statement about Thamud carving structures in the hills and mountains is demonstrably false as the structures are built not by the Thamud but by the Nabateans, who came much later. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. Abul Ala Maududi. [13] Robath is likely the ancient name of modern al-Ruwfa. Akkadians are from Prophet Hud pbuh. Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. Long before the Roman empire, before Alexanders conquests, even before the great Persian monarchs, there were the Assyrians lords of much of the Middle East, and archetypes of almost every empire that came after them. And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming violent windstorm which Allah imposed on them for seven days and eight nights straight. 1. Here you can read various translations of verse 38. The tribes of Ad and Thamud were ancient people who existed on the Arabian Peninsula many centuries ago and were recipients of the Prophets Hud and Salih, respectively. 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