But if you remember back from the flashbacks, you get the sense theres a reason she couldnt completely get him out of her life and vice versa. Veep. I like to think shes haunted because you two are a favorite TV couple in a twisted way. Its the darkest moment for Selina and for the show. And that sat with me over the time of when Julia had cancer. And what that says to me is, again, another picture of her weakness and her cowardice. Maybe, just maybe obviously with all the people from the measles, maybe people will start to go, Well, wait a second, if they were right about vaccines, maybe they were right about the climate.. Sie knnen Ihre Einstellungen jederzeit ndern. I love the idea that he solved it with three states. "I'm just gonna simply say too easy. Andrew owns a large company, which is revealed to have funded both sides of the 2012 presidential election. At what price victory? This was a really [important] scene, and we wanted to make sure it gelled, so we worked on it in for a while to find the flow of it. I think if you were a math person, Kent might actually take to you. How long had you been sitting on that idea as the ending?There was always this idea of jumping ahead to the funeral. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from. So yeah, there was just a lot of joy. I will say, our character relationship and our friendship has genuinely been one of the biggest gifts of my career. 1. Its revealed that she never visited Gary in prison, yet he shows up at her funeral and gives her the special lipstick. Offers may be subject to change without notice. I think those are two old souls that would really enjoy each others company.. He knows all the skeletons. And obviously, I understand why especially in the seven-episode structure, his rise was perhaps even more meteoric than it would have been in the ten-episode structure. For example, when the beautiful men were working for Jonah last year as interns, and he really sort of took to them. I dont have all of it, but theres a key piece of information that I would love to get in at some point, he says. "You realize when something like that happens, you're like, 'Oh yeah, this relationship is done. What exactly happened on Labor Day? ], This is Daddys Youve had the evil inside you the whole time, its time to embrace your dark side speech.You didnt need these shoes or me. Gary Anton Walsh (born August 1978) is an American political aide who served as the special assistant and personal aide, commonly referred to as body man, to President Selina Meyer for two decades. On Sunday night, the series finale of HBO's Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. It was not lasting remorse. It was horrific to film. On Sundays Veep, Selinas long-suffering aide Gary stopped being polite and started getting really angry at his boss, resulting in a jaw-dropping confrontation that was three years in the making. The people she banned are now there. At some point or another, I think I whispered that she won. I like to think its a credit to Armando [Iannucci, the shows creator] and the previous writers, and my current writers, that we can make you root for a terrible person. He just keeps bouncing back to this dysfunction. And I think he honestly was there to pay his respects. Im not going to use the K word, which is Kellyanne [Conway]. So I think probably the last 15 years of that prison sentence was spent dealing with that and all those feelings. Not exactly Dan, but Dan-esque. I chose my job, and now Ive been given this opportunity. Did you ever consider revealing exactly what happened on Labor Day, or is it one of those things that the answer will never be as satisfying as the speculation and your own imagination?I love that everyone has a theory. I think he has forgiven her. I think hed love to go to restaurants and be able to eat, but Im not quite sure hed have a lot to say. His take? So that was tricky. When he was right there catching her purse. They sent us something when we won the Emmy. "It means to lose something. I dont know when I will respond.. I guess as long as you werent a good-looking woman. And by the way, on the face of Megan Murphy, [Veeps co-producer in postproduction]. But near the end of Sunday's series finale, it all came crashing down in the show's darkest moment. As for the others: I understand the Jonah one, but I think theres an opportunity if youre the right person. Ben (Kevin Dunn) has been dead! And as we started doing this season, we werent trying to be greedy, but I wrote down this idea that wed end up back in the Oval and Sue would be there. It was a move that on its face seemed shocking and heartbreaking, and served as the show's darkest moment. Tricky. It was kinda great., TRUMP MOMENT as @VeepHBO closing credit scene is ???????????? "I need you to do something for me," she said, though he obliviously was more concerned with getting that chia seed out of her teeth. Hes done outrageous things for her and nothing has yet snapped him out of it. After this [fight], theyre close again. It didnt happen. You took over showrunning duties when Armando left after season 4 and kept up the Emmy-winning tradition. What we just spoke about is obviously all of Garys story. But it really is impossible, he says. "There is a part of Selina that recognizes that Gary is maybe the only one who's ever really loved her, and she's giving that up," says Louis-Dreyfus. She has a new Amy [in Michelle, played by Rhea Seehorn]. It went on the wish list. Sufe Bradshaw returned as Sue to the White House, which was a feel-good surprise in a brutal episode. That is a really sharp turn for the character in that day. She wanted the Dubonnet. And they have had this just crazy ping-pong back-and-forth relationship, and he has constantly screwed her over. When we see him, hes not looking so great. What Selina did was the biggest gift to Gary, because thats the only thing that would have broken the cycle for him, Hale now tells The Hollywood Reporter. "I mean, we set this up at the beginning of the season with the faith-based initiative, and it was the perfect sacrifice for him to make and what his job wasin her mind. "Like a dog returning to its vomit" is how Tony Hale recently and colorfully described it. And to answer Jamies question, Why would Gary wearing corduroy not happen? In that episode Gary has a private company take Selina's garbage back to her home residence. ", It was during that last line that Gary was accosted by two FBI agents on the side of the stage. Both Labor Day and May Day, the two worker holidays, grew out of violent clashes between labor and police in the American Midwest.What is known as the Haymarket Riot (or . April 19, 2015, 10:57 PM. And I do think in some ways getting away from her mother was the best thing that ever happened to her. TVLINE | Were you told what happened on Labor Day to help with the subtext? Look at how Catherine [Meyer, played by Sarah Sutherland] responded to her mothers death she brought in margaritas! Yet, Catherine seemed happier for it. I've always assumed he was talking about finding her trash and whatever horrifying thing that was in it. On April 16, Selena Day, fans will put on their favorite Selena songs and remember the incredible impact the Tejano crooner had on music. I didnt say it was Tom Hanks specifically but I said I hope he digs it because theres a pretty cool nod to the pilot. Goddammit. Was one of the messages of the finale, If you have been rooting for Selina all along, you chose very poorly, and were here to not-gently remind you of that?That is the wonderful thing. Thatd be great. [Laughs] Thats a recipe for disaster. In some interesting, weird way, Im almost curious as to what he wouldve done had she actually asked him. Hell hath no fury like a perpetually under-appreciated, eternally . This shouldnt be.. From what I remember, I think we did the scene several times before the balloons. Im just not sure its feasible for either of them to leave each other. And while Selina has already expressed interest in running for president again (an idea that Ben, mercifully, shot down in the Season 6 premiere), is Mandel rushing to get her back to Washington? And was there ever talk of making him Selinas VP in the present day, as his political career was accelerating super fast in the final season?Its funny, Ive seen both the Richard becomes her VP or somebodys VP at the convention. Happy Labor Day weekend, America. Its just so much joy to be able to talk about all that stuff any time we get together. She's not sympathetic toward others. I feel like the real road not taken for him wouldve been like a childrens dentist. Jonah then ascends to the presidency Considering Chung made all the cabinet appointments, there are no new spots for Jonah to offer Selina, except for one newly vacant spot: the vice presidency. "I'm not going anywhere. Weve been gone a year, and were back, and were not taking any prisoners. And then [theres] the ultimate decision to give it to Jonah, which in some ways is almost as bad as the Gary thing, and Im putting it, like, a hair less. Some part of me almost wondered that had she asked him, he actually might have been willing to do it. She later explained to . Starting with the most obvious. But it was nice to see Veeps international fanbase come out to play: Im European, and Europe has a wonderful history regarding our attitude towards Jews, wrote Viktor, whos from Croatia. I think itd be very fun to work for Dan. Because if it wasnt supposed to be happening, she would have run out and been like, What are you doing? Again, not through emotional words, but just in his support. TVLINE | I feel like the first three seasons have been building to thismoment. Everyone roots for her., As for the naysayers, their position was summed up by Jamie Burgess: No. "His devotion to her was so evident in those final moments, with the lipstick," she says. When she says to him, I need you to do a favor for me. Going to jail was never in the cards of that favor in Garys mind. Though she was fatally shot by the president of her fan club in 1995, the 23-year-old was able to accomplish some huge feats - from being credited with catapulting Latin music into the . Thats the byproduct. In your mind, was that one of the last times they spoke?My assumption is, because Selina is Selina, Im sure she occasionally tried via Little Richard, or they bumped into each other. I think even when shes nice, theres usually ulterior motives or things that will get her to throw it away in a second., And as for the assessment of Selinas sexual prowess: I think she would take a lot of pride in knowing that people think shes good in bed, he says. She made eye contact with Gary, who looked at her for help as he was being led away, to which she simply looked away and continued the speech that she had swiped from the war hero. He was expecting a phone call to be released and bailed out and apologies and all that kind of stuff. This core in him that really cared about her, and really loved her and saw something else that other people didn't see. Im just now thinking about this, but I think during those 20 years, there was probably a good five years in the beginning that he thought she was going to change her mind and wake up and realize how special he was to her. I kind of love that. I feel like the sun has set on her career., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. MANDEL RESPONDS: Sadly, I think theyre right, he says. Ideas? Lets also go one step further: at the end there, she could have left any time, but unfortunately, theres a sickness to her as well, that she doesnt have to take that chief of staff job. ", Hale called it "perfect" as well, and in expressing his extreme approval for this grim outcome, he opines that it takes two damaged individuals to tangoand that Gary bears some responsibility for that broken relationship. I think the world has gotten very horrible. I think it was hard not to infuse that scene of saying goodbye to him in the wings with too much emotion that was coming from me, personally. The problem is, Im happy to get rid of the incidental swearing. Developed by Armando Iannucci, it is a long-awaited (five years!) Its sort of fun, Mandel says. ", And Veep truly came full circle in the final seconds of the episode, as CBS Evening News anchor (!) When Kent is basically bellowing at Selina and kind of losing it a little bit, the camera finds Amy there. But I guess at the end of the day, Im a cynical son of a bitch. But when she referred to him as a middle-aged man who gets me my wipes, he had to actually face what she thought of him. That became the jumping-off point, and she had done so many terrible things, that party platform issues were just never going to be enough. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I love it so much. So we were actually in the sound mix of the episode when we were told this. Can you fill in the gaps. Then when shes left alone, she starts to tear up as if shes taking stock of what she has besides this job, and the answer is nothing. He would rather be attacked and cussed at and abused than be distanced from her. And sadly, very quickly, it just became clear the most horrible thing she could conceivably do would be to the only person who ever cared about her and she ever cared about, which was Gary. DAVID MANDEL ASKS: Do you want to know what happened on Labor Day? I started to wonder why Selina Meyer was being punished. Then of course, like all bullies because she is a bully the best defense is a good offense. My story is that Im super bummed its over! (Photo: HBO) It's been a well-received season of change for HBO's Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandel . All Rights Reserved. And she can't really allow herself to question that sacrifice. In the beginning of the season, you told me that Gary viewed her as a forever queen. And always the president in his eyes. 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