I've heard arguments on both sides, but as of yet I'd be uncomfortable moving the positions beyond the level of opinion. Any Further Details or assistance is greatly appreciated. In New York City. About as plain as you can get, this is a prototype paring Their commercial version of the survival knife had a polished blade instead of a subdued or blued blade, brass guard, and polished pommel. I hope this is the right place to make this post.sorry if not. Any review of World War II military fixed blades must include several examples of Western knives. I like that, but cannot figure out what type of knife that may be. down, risers and lines. Frank reports that Marbles was supplying the Ideal to the Government as early as 1934. It may add to your history file. To re-arrange a genuine item like this would be quite a task. the M3 pommel and guard to improve their knife and help conserve parts. It was later made with an etch on the blade "Sportsman" It is marked U.S.N over MARK I. Bone stag and CR guard made in The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. forces. large bakelite pommel and multiple spacers. With the help The post-1962 knives were produced by the Camillus Cutlery Company and Milpar during the Vietnam Era. Co.Arc-shapedUSA, or Union; Stainless1912 1925Tidioute CUT. We were allowed to keep them when dicharged. Camillus was also notorious for sometimes mixing up the tang stamps. Both marked CAMILLUS over N.Y. but the one on the left the font is larger. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The story of this knife seems to begin in 1953, when the DoD announced to private industry their specifications for a standardized survival knife for pilots to interested vendors in Military Specification MIL-K-8662 (16 October 1953). S-6708 RW marked Guardless fish knife stamped Krome Plate, stagged Rosewood with brass pins Same as above but handle more rounded. Now, we know already that this, Read More How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods)Continue. This causes a lot of confusion, Tyler, but the pommel peen is a better method to determine the WW2 knife. If it were possible to convert you surely would be able to! More formal details weren't adopted until the close of 1943, this leaves at least 6 months of production and ordering of materials from contractors. I have the knife and sheath, but not the sharpener. The picture I posted is of a knife I had bid on in an auction, but did not win. The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. Camillus produced the Jet Pilot Survival Knife with a 5-inch blade from 1961-2006. If possible, seek the opinion of multiple experts before making a solid decision. The iconic design features of the knife, that have characterized its look, have remained unchanged since its inception. Its width is 21.8mm (21.8mm) and thickness is 4.5mm (4.5mm). The knife went through a couple of different vendors over its life cycle. with the government to sell the design and know how to make the knife. hunting knives from parts on hand. Over the decades, this document has been updated. These influences upon the procurement system tempered the DoD design features of the knife. Charlie I happen to agree with your take here. The others that I've seen have the later arched tang stamp. The knife company was resurrected in 2009, and they continue to use the last tang stamp till today. Required fields are marked *. Thank you. Regards, This is it. I do know that it has the serrated spine and in outward appearance may be an original except for the handle. In the testing Western won the contract You also have to consider that contracts were negotiated for 5-inch hunting knives prior to the release and approval of the drawings for the Mark 1. By Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. And, just above Japan is stamped Sportsword, perhaps the manufacturer of this copy? Dale AAPK Administrator by Colonel666 Mon May 27, 2013 2:59 am, Post It isnt worth that much plus its actually a pretty good knife. I recently bought a new Ontario that has 3-11 on the pommel (March 2011 I reckon). Your email address will not be published. After the completion of testing and bidding competition between Marble, Camillus Cutlery, and the Ontario Knife Company (OKC), Camillus was awarded the contract to supply the new Jet Pilot Survival Knife (JPSK) to the Department of Defense instead of Marble. S1408: This is a prototype Camillus sent in to alter the The original contracts (August '59) for the JPK called for a 6" blade with threaded pommel attachment. Dear Major,I have had this knife for 30 years when I picked one up at local sporting goods store ,it served me well but, sadly had it stolen a few years ago.my question is how to safely (without too much damage to tang or butt plate (large nut square hole) to change handle ? Many of us have been exposed to the fixed blade knife known popularly as the Air Force Survival Knife. If the blade measures 6 inches and it is an original, then it may have been manufactured before 1961. A similar issue occurs when dating the Kinfolks knife, but the chances of that error are slim. That latest acquisition also had a sheath lacking the metal back and tip of the sheath, but appears original in all respects. The similarities to Mark I knives are obvious, but they were procured and manufactured under different contracts and specifications. We place the WW II era When WWI and WWII came along, Adolph shifted the focus of the company to cater to U.S. soldiers and the Allied Forces. Probably not a Pro-Tec pointed dagger, but it's real novel. You are able to get the knife because it is dummy corded to you. This is what Camillus was thinking about at the end of the war, To make things more simple, the initial production of the 5-inch hunting knives were bright blades for most all contractors. Is it a genuine vintage or merely a reproduction? Ive bookmarked your site and Im including your RSS feeds to my Google account. Knives made by top companies were featured in catalogs that were either internally maintained or sent out to dealers and collectors. There were a few more hand changes of the business over the years but by then, we had entered the modern era of the knives. There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife), Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor. the Army needed one as well to replace the M2 pocket knife. I know how well "Orvet" makes customs. markings on the knives or the special way the knife was built. They are hard to find. OK, but I did not see any knife with this tang stamp before 1989. Some companies marked them and some did not. The knives will be sold as a group only. Even if the Ontario Knife Company discontinues their production and the DoD phases them out of their inventories, the knife will be around for commercial purchase. Entertaining and informing. Camillus stagged bone grips with brass pins. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. flat sided pommel to be used for hammering prior to the adoption of the hex Eventually the U.S. Navy adopted the knife after failures on the Mark 1 and renamed it the U.S. Navy Mark 2. Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". Camillus Factory still shot courtesy of Tom Williams showing 5665 J86: Prototype dated 3/25/1942 made for the Army Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. Not Adopted, Case and Catt got the Q knife Valor is the name of the US company that retailed the 998. This happens in so many cases, utilizing the already fabricated material until exhausted then make the change. Okay, maybe not fakes. It is marked just U.S.N. The USMC solicited bids from several knife In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. They got into every kind of game and having different manufacturers along the line meant that they all didnt have to stick to the same design philosophy. Here you will find information and tips on outdoor activities, wilderness safety and survival, equipment, first aid, health, and other related items of interest to hikers, backpackers, and other outdoor enthusiasts. I agree. As well, it must be remembered that this knife was designed to address a specific need for the U.S. military and was not intended to be used outside of that context. ? View all posts by Major Hykr. S-4007 hand marked on the blade, Guardless and serrated The Marine Corps then also renamed the knife the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife. However, this was not the end of the aging Air Force Survival Knife. Some had been made before the time, and they dont have the exact specs as above. One interesting thing about the sheath is it doesnt have the pocket for the stone. These are the true originals that went to the war and every other one after that was made after the war. Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. Like every other knife Ive dated, the Camillus knives are challenging in their way. It was common for everything in a survival vest to have a lanyard. The new design that was adopted was the 6 inch JPK. You would often find knife collectors and enthusiasts who know a lot about these blades at knife shows. We have seen it in outfitter stores, marketed on the internet, and may even have owned one. Your email address will not be published. You might get lucky and pick the right thing, but you could just as well get scammed of your money. We have over 75,000 pieces of Boy and Girl Scout Memorabilia to sell. The contracts were 1942, & 1943. It looks exactly like the survival knife from the air force. A German himself, and having spent enough time in the U.S.A. to know the market landscape, this business venture was not difficult for him. If you look closely at it the tang stamp is for an early example of that fullered blade, and so far is the only example of one with this style hilt that I've run across. Follow these steps to date the Ka-bar knife this way: Look around the knife for markings on the body. Ka-bar knives are not made like they used to be anymore. Copyright 2004-2023 allaboutpocketknives.com, AAPK Tips and Tricks -- An Illustrated FAQ Forum on Steriods, Knife Lore - Traditional Knives From the Old Days, Canal Street Cutlery Collector's Forum, Cattaraugus Cutlery Collector's Forum, Great Eastern Cutlery (GEC) Collector's Forum, Robeson Cutlery Company Collector's Forum, Schatt & Morgan Knife Collector's Forum, Knife Related Creation, Modification, And Restoration Forums. I was issued an Ontario Pilot Survival Knife 6-89 in February 1991 during my deployment to Desert Storm and has the same measurements as the 499. After more than two decades (1897) in this business, importation costs for the knives were getting higher and wiping out Adolphs profits. Ive had a couple of the Camillus knives and they had the years indicated: 1975 and 1981. This is an early Marbles design with a For a company that produced such a knife that seemed in high demand, they must have been poor at the business management side of things. By the close of 1943, a satisfactory method was applied. It has two blades; one is a standard 2.5-inch cutting blade and the other is a locking. Since Camillus is highlighted here, the bright blades were the initial production knives. Some of the knives have no branch of service marking on them. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: The tang stamps are all over the place; There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; The font is a bit off; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife) Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor knife. The sheath welt shall be 3/8-inch-thick and 2 inches in length. It doesn't get much better then this one. The only way to stay in the knife business and keep running a profit was to start making and selling them domestically. True, those origins are shrouded in a lot of poor occurrences but the knives stayed on to mark those eras and the good work of manufacturers in, Read More How to Tell the Age of a Marbles Knife by Yourself (5 Methods)Continue, The Case Kodiak is one of the most interesting exports from the company and continues to command a high price today. Show me your knife, and I'll tell you who you are. Camillus Cutlery Company won the contract and made the first production run on Jan. 27, 1943. A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel The In the early 2000s, the U.S. Army published requirements to private industry for an aviation survival knife to replace the aging Air Force Survival Knife. Ka-bar did not just make straight knives or folding knives. oldjunkagain. 5679 L36: WW II Army Air Corps knife. Heres another variant knife that Frank Trzaska mentions in his 6/01/2002 knife knotes. Mine has a blued blade and crossguard. You could find either the USMC or USN MK2 marking on the knife. It appears that in 2006, Ontario Knife Company became the current vendor to the DoD of the Jet Pilot Survival Knife under the National Stock Number (NSN): 7340-00-098-4327. knives under boxes and paperwork. I will highly recommend this site! Consequently, the knife blade being reduced from six inches to five inches allowed it to retain some of the qualities necessary to carry out survival tasks, but small enough that it could be easily stowed on an aircrewmans vest without causing interference for aircrews trying to carry out their duties while flying. I became curious about the background and history of this knife about a year ago. Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. Dont expect to find an expert that will date your knife for free. No date or manufacturer is stamped anywhere. COStraight lineOLEAN, N.Y, and USA.1912 1920UNION CUTLERY CO.Straight lineOLEAN, N. Y1912 1930UNIONRound rectangular boxNil1914 1926KEENWELL CUT COStraight lineOLEAN, N. Y1920 1930KEENWELL CUT COStraight lineOLEAN, N.Y; Ka-Bar; Model number1928 1932KA-BARStraight lineUSA`1930 1940OLCUTStraight lineStainless Steel; or UNION CUT CO. & OLEAN, N. Y1935 1945KabarStraight lineUnfilled star1950 1970. knife for training and issue. PS If you buy the knife today, the seller might include a newer sheath just to promote better knife safety for you. These knives became popular with outdoorsman. Not an easy knife to resharpen and the very tip was prone to breaking off. I would classify them as USAAF knives. We made no attempt to do any cleaning in case the knife is old. by orvet Tue May 28, 2013 1:20 pm, Post Force survival kit knife. The two sheaths while marked differently, IMHO are from the same manufacture. where possible. Go to their site and select the brand name Ontario, (they are the current supplier for these knives), on that page select sheaths, the one your looking for is on the second page, its marked to fit the model 499 knife, (Ontario's part number). I have sent you an email to see how I may be able to help. The Air Force Survival Knife has had a storied, yet obscure, history. Keen Kutter etched in blade and tang marked Sharpleigh / that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal Thank you, this is a very informative treatise on this knife. The good news is that I found multiple ways to determine how old your Camillus knife is. Surplus stores will purchase them in bulk through U.S. Government auctions, collectors will buy them at auctions, military museums will display them, and they will continue to be available for purchase on the internet. The Camillus S1765P USAF Utility Knife Tobias Gibson 7.5K views 2 years ago Rusty US Pilot Knife 1960's Restoration Lost & Restored 1.2M views 1 year ago Five US Military Pocket Knives from. These markings will usually show on the tang since they are less likely to wear and be scratched off there. HiI'm new to the site and am trying to identify a knife my daughter found yesterday. blade with S numbers. By 1876, after his uncles company had to close shop due to poor sales figures, Adolph charted out a new path for himself. Keep up the great work. Phillip; steel dome pins. This knife looks a lot like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real quick. I appreciate the vote of confidence . spacer arrangements. But you have an injury to your arm. Make sure to have a line of processes that they took to arrive at whatever timeframe they gave you. rivets, Kent Sportsman with etching and stagged bone and large https://prc68.com/I/OneManLifeRaft.html#Knife. Do you have any information on this kind of knife ever being produced? The back piece has also been cut-through by the blade over the years, so the metal addition was definitely needed. I assume was the same for my brethren in the fixed wing as well. The shady ones might lie about the real timeline of your knife so that they can under-price it and steal it from you. But your saying the WW2 knives dont have pins at all?, just peened? The condition of the leather sheath is what would one would expect to be from late 1960s to early 1970s vintage as it was found at the time, which has not degraded since. Camillus Cuda Bolt Spring Assisted Knife Gray (3.625" Black) CM19080 MSRP: $50.99 Our Price: $43.95 Add to Cart Camillus Erupt Spring Assisted Knife Black GRN (2.5" Black) Our Price: $33.95 Add to Cart Camillus HEAT Spring Assisted Knife Black GFN (3.5" Black) CM19167 Our Price: $55.95 Add to Cart I dont know if it has any markings that would help determine where and when manufactured. You pull the knife out but drop it. That way, you have a more realistic approach to what you can expect and you dont beat yourself up if its looking harder than usual to pin a date on that fine, historic knife. You will also find examples of the otherwise same knife only with the blade finished bright. I know my knives - maybe not as well as my mother - but enough to write helpful guides for you. Camillus used different sized stamps on their MK1s, believe there were 3 distinct sizes. You are correct. This design was accepted, and the military specifications documents were updated to reflect Marbles concept in MIL-K-8662A (04 November 1957). Thank you for the history. Where neither is possible, its best to stay away. Ken Spielvogel - The "Accumulator" of knives- "The Talking Knives". the markings are all the same and in the same place as the originals. It was enlightening to discover that there is very little information available on the background and origins of this knife. However, because of Marbles premature manufacturing of the knife before it was awarded a government contract, the rest of the world gained the privilege to own this knife. Of course, they were sharp and most of them are older than us, but that doesnt mean we lost interest. Thanks! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It would also be much easier to confirm additional details about the knives, not just who made them and when. I suspect it is Vietnam era from its condition. 5665: Early 12/29/1939 prototype of the new Camillus design The handle should fold out to cover the entire blade edge. 5683 L75: The Camillus Mark 1 prototype reference piece. the Camillus designs submitted for testing. It is assumed that such information resides in the archives of the companies that have manufactured the knife as well as the files of the DoD. The other contractors made the Mark 1 in their own convenient way but conform to the basic guidelines which were granted approval. Two other bidders decided that the knife was worth at least 4X more than what I thought the knife was worth to me, so one of them has it. It does, however, have a small Japan stamped in the blade at the hilt. I viewed the ransacked show room While no one retailer has all the original catalogs anymore, some kept some of these books around. Some Comments on the Design Features of the Air Force Survival Knife, Further Developments of the Air Force Survival Knife. Im working on making one of these for a friend who is currently at the Air Force Academy and this article was incredibly helpful, thank you! I have three of these babies from my flying days with the U. S. Navy. Relevant!! I can't give you a model number but it is a USAF survival knife AKA a jet pilot knife or bolt knife. I have not In 1962, the knife was modified by reducing the blade to 5" in length. Schrade Knife Identification (www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us) Schrade Knives (AAPK-All About Pocket Knives) Victorinox. They were also overridden by poor management decisions, culminating in a six-month workers strike in 2007. Not all Ka-bar knives will have a serial number, but checking this fine detail would make sense where possible. One Side of the blade should have the Camillus Knife brand and the identification should have the blade number. Some extremely valid points! The original design of this 5" blade is, I believe, a pre-war Marbles design which was known as the "Ideal", a #45. I believe youre more interested in dating the vintage ones, though, so the other era guides on that list are best suited to your needs. originals and always set off an alarm when looking for an original I have a Valor #998 Japan Jet Pilot Knife utilized in Vietnam given to my uncle, who gave it to me. The current edition of this document is Aerospace Standard SAE-AS-8662. Thanks for your help. Anything you can tell me about its history? It appears that in 2006, Ontario Knife Company became the current vendor to the DoD of the Jet Pilot Survival Knife under the National Stock Number (NSN): 7340-00-098-4327. Made for Sears & Roebucks. Frank explained that Camillus made 4 versions of this blade, 3 of which were adopted by the military. Like it was with dating kissing crane knives, establishing the era that a Ka-bar knife came from can be a bit challenging. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Production date date 3/25/1943. In 1957, the Marble-Arms Corporation submitted to the U.S. government a design based on their Ideal Hunting Knife design. USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. The 6 inches blade was shortend to 5 inches keeping the profile and was then accepted. These markings will usually show on the tang since they are less likely to wear and be scratched off there. I have several good photos of the knife which Id be happy to forward but there doesnt seem to be a way to send them to you on this site. Listed here we will discuss a few items that Both products contained a second active ingredient, salicylanilide. Kent Stagged Rosewood with steel rivets, same as above. Knife collectors and dealers should still have those catalogs if you can find them. and sold through the PX system as well. stagged Rosewood with brass pins, S-6541 marked Guarded Version stagged Rosewood with brass Now that you have established the ka-bar knife and got the markings to know what kind of issue it is, how about knowing if it is a WW2 knife or not? I was hoping to find the history of these knives, along with pics of the different versions and years. business. Where did she find it? See Picture for identification. We can go down the list for all the contractors. Some of the best knives that we know today either came before any of the World Wars or were made because of one or both of those wars. Well Camillus didn't start making these knives with this marking until 1974 so The blade is very sharp but has surface deterioration and the guard seems rather dull. The leather will be treated with para-nitrophenol fungicide. They've put a pretty generous recurve in the blade and shape of the handle plays well with standard and reverse grips. Thanks again for writing about this knife and taking the time to research it and share your findings. Hi Wilfredo, If you dont go to knife shows, you might also have some luck with veteran knife collectors in your locale. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. That sold this great knife with blade, hilt and butt blued. It is WW II era and dual tang marked and etched. Among the "bright" finished knives you will find a variance. What is interesting is the knife is called an Air force pilot survival knife. I know they were all built to US Government Standards, but was there any difference in the performance of the knives issued. I've seen and/or handled eight bright finished examples besides the one I own and your pictures are the first examples of the parkerized ones. This is usually where I first look at when dating knives. Before you go dating your ka-bar knife, I think you might want to know some of the challenges that you could encounter, and why. The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. In June of '60, the contract was changed to requiring a peened pommel (as was used on all later production). Knife #1 and #2 were never found in the factory collection years ago, this Ive read reviews that claim the new ones (from Ontario) are not as good. Step 2: Read the markings You could find either the USMC or USN MK2 marking on the knife. If you have some method to receive photos, let me know and Ill forward the photos. Most knives I seen are marked 10998 or some other number not marked on my blade. I have one but cant find anything about it. Those who do not currently own one should purchase one. 2023 Cuts & Carves - Designed by O. Christopher, How to Date A Ka-Bar Knife (5 Unique Methods), How to Tell the Age of a Marbles Knife by Yourself (5 Methods), How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice), How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods), How to Date a Kissing Crane Knife (Both Old and New), How to Tell How Old a Barlow Knife Is by Yourself (Charts, Stamps, and More), How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods). The gray painted Pommel indicates that it is issued to the Navy. This knife was popular during the second world war and I will assume that so are the people who knew a lot about it. survival kit knife with straight line marking. Here is an image of my fullered 5 inch blade next to the saber ground blade knife. Your guidelines seem to contradict themselves:The knife has a thin, pinned pommelWW2 knife pommels are peened on the knife, not pinnedWhich is it: they are pinned or they are not?Please let me know, than you. Glen, No matter the reason for wanting to date that blade, these methods will get you an accurate year or an era, at worst. If I am honest, theyre not the only ones to make this mistake. Your email address will not be published. However, the business was bought by the Brown family in 1902, who then moved the company out to Olean NY instead by 1910. In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. Phil, My name is Steve and i live in Australia..I have recently started collecting knives from the Vietnam era..I just purchased 1 on ebay but the more i try to confirm the sellers claim the more i become frustrated and confusedplease help me. by Colonel666 Sun May 26, 2013 1:43 am, Post In the end, it proved to be a logistical nightmare, however, Robeson did make the switch. The reason behind Marble selling their knife to the general public was due, in part, to pre-maturely manufacturing several thousand knife blades and parts in advance of learning who would be awarded the government contract to supply the knives to the military. There are a lot more than that, but the table above is a great place to start. It is also suspected that knife makers will begin to find ways to improve the knife and manufacture their versions of the knife similar to what knife companies are doing with other legacy knife designs. While that might make it harder to identify what a true Ka-bar knife is, though, it is a blessing in disguise sometimes. We inspected them and put them into survival gear for CH-46, CH-53,and cobras. Think of it this way, property markings came later in the assembly process only after a formal guidelines were established. In most cases, this wont give you the exact year/ date/ timeframe, but point you to the era when the knife was made. Im happy to see that youre entering the world of knife collection. the knife is a Camillus model number 5733. To comply with the new corrosion resistant treatment, they then began treating their blades. [emailprotected], Thanks for letting me know that, Murphy. Required fields are marked *. compares with this knife. The knife was probably modified by a previous owner. Hi Bruce: You need to get the knife out to cut your way out. So, as stated earlier, the archives of Marble or the DoD may reveal conclusively if the reason for the holes in the handguard. Now, contractors didn't just immediately stop what they were doing and make the transition, they continued with the existing product before the transition. I was wondering if you had run across anything about the dates on the pommel nut. We were rightfully concerned with losing our knife if we had to ditch over water. Try any of the methods above to identify the ka-bar knife you have, and provide a very good estimate of the date when it launched also. Model number 5686. Interesting article. edge. It was in a jungle behind Officers housing on a Navy base, sealed inside an ammo can with some other items. qualified technician to remove the surface rust and dirt on them. of Tom Williams, Camillus factory historian, I have assembled the Both are Camillus but one has a 1" longer blade. The M3 trench knife or M3 fighting knife was an American military combat knife first issued in March 1943. 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